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when
WIN3
is in 386 mode. The other modes are too slow.
3. I have less memory for
DOS
appe with WIN3 because I can’t load anything high. *Everything* (buffers, etc.) subtracts from that 640K.
4. I can’t get WIN3 to run (on the workstation) with my network (Invisible Net)
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or should I say I can’t get INET to run with WIN3
in 386 mode. This problem stopped my experimentation with Windows for the time being.
Fm: Bob Grommes 74126,72
To: Robert Keiser 73607,1047
Infoworld this week reports that you DON’T have as much memory available to apps within windows, depending on your perspective. I am accustomed to having about 625k free memory at the DOS prompt becuase of QEMM and loading lots of stuff high. Since Windows bath on QEMM, I’ll have to copy in a different config.sys/autoexec.bat, warm boot and then I’ll probably be lucky to have 450k free memory at the DOS prompt. I’ll have a little less within Windows, I’d think.
Fm: Greg Dunn 73007,1224
To: Fox Software 76004,1651
Does Fox Software have a Windows version of FoxPro on the table? Projected release date? Tnanks.
Fm: Walt Kennamer--Fox 74025,514
To: Greg Dunn 73007,1224 (X)
We are considering what to do about a Windows version. We will do one if we conclude that there is a large enough market for a Windows version. However, we don’t have a projected release date at this point. Thanks.
Fm: Jay Roberts 72571,647
To: Walt Kennamer—Fox 74025,514
Walt,
FWIW, I’ve used Fox for years now, but I like the new Windows environment so much I’m beginning to look for Windows-based alternatives. I know I won’t find a Windows-based dbase as good as Fox, but, if Fox isn’t going to do one, I’ll keep looking and eventually switch.
OTOH, if! knew Fax was working on a Windows version and it would be out reasonably soon, I’d go on developing in FoxPro knowing the Fox Windows version would be the best.
I can’t tell you how big the market will be, but I suspect it’ll start out large and grow rapidly. If the dBASE standard isn’t carried into Windows by someone good and dependable, the dBASE user base will continue to erode as A-T sits on its thumbs. Right now there is no high-
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market-share Windows database management
software comparable to FoxPro.
If you
want
to know why I like Win
dows
and
want a Windows Foxpro, take a
look at
Superbase
4. The latest
version
1.2 has a demo of
Dynamic Data
Ex
change
between Word for Windows
and
SB4. With both apps closed you start Word, open a sample template letter. This template has Word macro instructions and DDE instructions built in. It
finds
SB4, _opens_ it and the database its
after, then
places
the
name and
ad
dress from the first record in
the database
in the form letter. On Word’s menu are choices to move forward or backward
in
the database, change the index in the database, search for a particular record, etc. It’s a simple but amazing sample of what’s available through Windows 3.0.
Regards
-
Jay
Fm: Mark Vodhanel 72456,463
To: Jay
Roberta
72571,647
I’ll second
your
wish to
see
a
WIN3
port. I’m sure that Fox needs a little more time to
wait
for the dust to
settle
on this (a month might not be
enough
g). The other problem may be that they
just
released a super upgrade
for their
DOS platform,
and
are
simply
not
ready
to do it again so soon. OTOH, having
developed their
owu GUI, and having a
MAC
port, sure
makes
the
Fox
team technically adept at doing such a port should they decide to do it.
-Mark
Fm: Walt Kennamer—Fox 74025,514
To: Jay
Roberts 72571,647
I like
Windows
also, but I won’t say any more than
that.
Fm: Pat
Adams
75146,3121
To: Walt Kennamer—Fox 74025,514
I finally tried out
Windows
3.0 and was disappointed in it
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particularly
when
it comes
to using
it
with Fox. Pve had
every
version of Windows since the
original
beta back in 1985 and just
find
that it’s not
yet really
what I want.
My biggest disappointment with Windows3.0
is its lackof support
forQEMM.
Without QEMM I
can
not
load
stuff hi, including my network
drivers,
so end up with a
lot less
of the
DOS 640k
remaining.
And even
though! have as much as 8Mb. of memory on one machine and anywhere from 2 Mb. to 4 Mb. on my other
machines, Windows
3.0 will
only
let me get windows that are as large as my remaining DOS memory.
Which means
I
can run Wordperfect
5.1,
Fox,
etc. but much more
slowly
than without
Windows
3.0 and/or DeskView.
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Conversations on
20
June
.27 June, 1990
Editor’s note: / have excerpted the following messages regarding the relationship of FoxPro and Windows 3. The operation of
the
current version of FoxPro under Windows 3is the primaty topic,
but prospects
fora Windows version of
FoxPro
are
also discussed. The numbers beside the participants names
are
their Compuserve ID's
Fm:
Robert
Keiser
73607,1047
To:
Peter Wagner 70007,1534 (X)
I’ve been working with Windows
3.0
since
the day they announced it. On a 386 machine, you
can run multiple applications (windows
or
non-windows).
You don’t use any memory manager like qemm or 386 max (you use HIMEM.SYS which comes with windows.) Each session has all the memory
that
it would
have if
it wasn’t running under windows. So if after your all done booting up and you have 5 12kb of memory left, then if
you
go into
windows
and start up applications they
will
all have about 512kb...
You can
tell windows
if the application
expects XMS
or EMS memory and
how
much to allocate to it. You cannot run
applications that use
their own DOS extender schemes (like Lotus 123
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although there is a company I beleive
its
name
is IRIS that has a product call 3for3 which lets you run
lotus
123
v3 under
windows,
the
2.2 version works
fine as is)...
In 286 mode you
can start
multiple
applications but you cannot run
any in background (which you
can
do with
386’s).
On an 8088/86 it works like old
windows.
In 386 mode it
can be
very disk
intensive because it uses
disk
space to swap
what is in
memory
out when you
start
another app.
I’m not affiliated
with
Microsoft in any
way, I just like the product.
Fm: Anne E.
Pruitt 72335,777
To: Peter Wagner
70007,1534 (X)
I’m a
conlirmed
DV user and have
WIN3
loaded on my hard
disk.
I haven’t
used
WIN3 much, just got it up and tried it out. Here’s my
comparison:
1. WIN3 is quite beautiful visually. I can’t emphasize this enough. It
truly
enhances the computing
experience
(on a VGA, of courseg).
2. Swapping is definitely slower than DV, but is acceptable on my 16MHz 386
LA.
FOX
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