when WIN3 is in 386 mode. The other

modes are too slow.

3. I have less memory for DOS appe

with WIN3 because I can’t load anything

high. *Everything* (buffers, etc.) sub-

tracts from that 640K.

4. I can’t get WIN3 to run (on the

workstation) with my network (Invisible

Net) - or should I say I can’t get INET to

run with WIN3 in 386 mode. This prob-

lem stopped my experimentation with

Windows for the time being.

Fm: Bob Grommes 74126,72

To: Robert Keiser 73607,1047

Infoworld this week reports that you

DON’T have as much memory available

to apps within windows, depending on

your perspective. I am accustomed to

having about 625k free memory at the

DOS prompt becuase of QEMM and

loading lots of stuff high. Since Windows

bath on QEMM, I’ll have to copy in a

different config.sys/autoexec.bat, warm

boot and then I’ll probably be lucky to

have 450k free memory at the DOS

prompt. I’ll have a little less within Win-

dows, I’d think.

Fm: Greg Dunn 73007,1224

To: Fox Software 76004,1651

Does Fox Software have a Windows

version of FoxPro on the table?

Projected release date? Tnanks.

Fm: Walt Kennamer--Fox 74025,514

To: Greg Dunn 73007,1224 (X)

We are considering what to do about

a Windows version. We will do one if we

conclude that there is a large enough

market for a Windows version. However,

we don’t have a projected release date at

this point. Thanks.

Fm: Jay Roberts 72571,647

To: Walt Kennamer—Fox 74025,514

Walt,

FWIW, I’ve used Fox for years now,

but I like the new Windows environment

so much I’m beginning to look for Win-

dows-based alternatives. I know I won’t

find a Windows-based dbase as good as

Fox, but, if Fox isn’t going to do one, I’ll

keep looking and eventually switch.

OTOH, if! knew Fax was working on

a Windows version and it would be out

reasonably soon, I’d go on developing in

FoxPro knowing the Fox Windows ver-

sion would be the best.

I can’t tell you how big the market will

be, but I suspect it’ll start out large and

grow rapidly. If the dBASE standard isn’t

carried into Windows by someone good

and dependable, the dBASE user base

will continue to erode as A-T sits on its

thumbs. Right now there is no high-

market-share Windows database

management software comparable to

FoxPro.

If you want to know why I like Win-

dows and want a Windows Foxpro, take a

look at Superbase 4. The latest version

1.2 has a demo of Dynamic Data Ex-

change between Word for Windows and

SB4. With both apps closed you start

Word, open a sample template letter.

This template has Word macro instruc-

tions and DDE instructions built in. It

finds SB4, _opens_ it and the database

its after, then places the name and ad-

dress from the first record in the database

in the form letter. On Word’s menu are

choices to move forward or backward in

the database, change the index in the

database, search for a particular record,

etc. It’s a simple but amazing sample of

what’s available through Windows 3.0.

Regards - Jay

Fm: Mark Vodhanel 72456,463

To: Jay Roberta 72571,647

I’ll second your wish to see a WIN3

port. I’m sure that Fox needs a little more

time to wait for the dust to settle on this

(a month might not be enough g). The

other problem may be that they just

released a super upgrade for their DOS

platform, and are simply not ready to do

it again so soon. OTOH, having

developed their owu GUI, and having a

MAC port, sure makes the Fox team

technically adept at doing such a port

should they decide to do it.

-Mark

Fm: Walt Kennamer—Fox 74025,514

To: Jay Roberts 72571,647

I like Windows also, but I won’t say

any more than that.

Fm: Pat Adams 75146,3121

To: Walt Kennamer—Fox 74025,514

I finally tried out Windows 3.0 and was

disappointed in it - particularly when it

comes to using it with Fox. Pve had every

version of Windows since the original

beta back in 1985 and just find that it’s not

yet really what I want.

My biggest disappointment with Win-

dows3.0 is its lackof support forQEMM.

Without QEMM I can not load stuff hi,

including my network drivers, so end up

with a lot less of the DOS 640k remaining.

And even though! have as much as 8Mb.

of memory on one machine and anywhere

from 2 Mb. to 4 Mb. on my other

machines, Windows 3.0 will only let me

get windows that are as large as my

remaining DOS memory. Which means

I can run Wordperfect 5.1, Fox, etc. but

much more slowly than without Windows

3.0 and/or DeskView.

5

FoxPro and Windows 3

Conversations on

Compuserve’s

FOXFORUM

20 June .27 June, 1990

Editor’s note: / have excerpted the

following messages regarding the

relationship of FoxPro and Windows 3.

The operation of the current version of

FoxPro under Windows 3is the primaty

topic, but prospects fora Windows ver-

sion of FoxPro are also discussed. The

numbers beside the participants

names are their Compuserve ID's

Fm: Robert Keiser 73607,1047

To: Peter Wagner 70007,1534 (X)

I’ve been working with Windows 3.0

since the day they announced it. On a 386

machine, you can run multiple applica-

tions (windows or non-windows). You

don’t use any memory manager like

qemm or 386 max (you use

HIMEM.SYS which comes with win-

dows.) Each session has all the memory

that it would have if it wasn’t running

under windows. So if after your all done

booting up and you have 5 12kb of

memory left, then if you go into windows

and start up applications they will all have

about 512kb...

You can tell windows if the application

expects XMS or EMS memory and how

much to allocate to it. You cannot run

applications that use their own DOS ex-

tender schemes (like Lotus 123 - al-

though there is a company I beleive its

name is IRIS that has a product call 3for3

which lets you run lotus 123 v3 under

windows, the 2.2 version works fine as

is)...

In 286 mode you can start multiple

applications but you cannot run any in

background (which you can do with

386’s). On an 8088/86 it works like old

windows. In 386 mode it can be very disk

intensive because it uses disk space to

swap what is in memory out when you

start another app.

I’m not affiliated with Microsoft in any

way, I just like the product.

Fm: Anne E. Pruitt 72335,777

To: Peter Wagner 70007,1534 (X)

I’m a conlirmed DV user and have

WIN3 loaded on my hard disk. I haven’t

used WIN3 much, just got it up and tried

it out. Here’s my comparison:

1. WIN3 is quite beautiful visually. I

can’t emphasize this enough. It truly en-

hances the computing experience (on a

VGA, of courseg).

2. Swapping is definitely slower than

DV, but is acceptable on my 16MHz 386

LA. FOX